So when I do have a free moment, I spend it in high-sec. Except time spent in high-sec keeps becoming less and less valuable and I don't even login except to change skills.

classic. Thanks for the chuckle.

loves me mah Goonz!

and seriously where's the high-sec cheese and/or entertainment for someone who has 45 minutes a night in high-sec?

Have you played SWTOR yet?

I'm not saying its a better game than Eve. What I am saying is it is a far far better game than Eve for someone who has 45 minutes a night to play.

Spoken like a true null sec zealot, or should I say, CSM rep.

Adapt or die.
Sounds like this is what Liz Laser is saying. He plans on dying, which in this case means unsubbing.
But I keep forgetting that is what the null sec zealots want.

All those bleating sheep in high sec to just go away, and the game will be a better place, right?

Totally ok with risk vs reward. Would settle for Hi-sec being ENTERTAINING, especially for those of us with small chunks of playtime.

Like I said in another post... I WANT null-sec to be the best place for when I have time for it.

At 45 minutes a night I don't devour SWTOR "content" like most players. I still prefer Eve as a game, but not in such small bites.


As far as the ore, they want null to be self sufficient. Heck, when I have the time to be a null-sec dweller *I* want to be self sufficient. But the realities are that high-sec needs a reason to exist until God creates more PvPers. Luckily, most players have more time than me, and incursions may be both the only remaining cheese and the entertainment in high-sec. Just doesn't work for an ultra-casual like me.

Maybe not, but they're certainly encouraging the people already in nullsec to look at whether they should be mining.

The only adaptation I can currently make when they move my cheese to null-sec is to quit a job or girlfriend so I have the time to join a corp, get comms situated, figure out the lay of the land, and emergency evac when something I have little control over causes leadership to decide we're now in a new region in a new bloc, and oh by the way, you'll need to get situated on all new comms and forums and auths.

But it is not just moving my cheese, it's also the lack of entertainment value in high-sec. Thus I have adapted by moving to SWTOR and haven't seen a reason to renew my sub which expires in June unless I lose a job/contract. Eve won't miss me, but if I'm any indicator of players' satisfaction with high-sec then God needs to create more PVPers, and fast. Hopefully I'm an anomaly and there will still be an Eve to come back to when I develop the time to be a null-sec resident again. But if I'm typical, that spells bad news until high-sec becomes more entertaining OR worthwhile.

Miners don't get respect in null. They get treated like renters... renters wearing dresses.

Regarding Ore/Ice mining. Many high-sec bears will be just that. No amount of convincing will move them over to low/null sec.
Some options they are probably considering:
- If one is a high-sec Ore miner, become an Ice miner. Join the throngs of pilots that will do the same, and learn to ninja the Ice belts that spawn, creating a monopoly for themselves.
- Join the high-sec incursion bear community.
- Unsub their high-sec bear accounts.

I would suspect that the percentage of miners that will actually move is less than 10%. Which means CCP is counting on the null-bears (bots) to pick up the slack. I am not a gambling person; so not sure of the outcome.

So CCP must have considered these 'risks vs. rewards', as they like to put it, and decided to move forward with these changes. Only time will tell if the change was good on their behalf (if their overall subscription goes up or down).

But there was never a shortage of Veldspar and Scordite in null-sec when I was there.

The problem with tribbles, er tritanium is no one wanted to mine Veldspar for the hassles of null-sec.

So now they're just basically giving us FREE trit if we'll mine almost ANYTHING, including the rare and already valuable stuff.

It's a give-away to null-sec (and I'll happy to have it when I get back to being active), but as I predicted earlier, it isn't going to get any significant number of people out of high-sec and into null-sec.

It's just going to make it so that null-sec dwellers have to travel to high-sec less. Less traffic equals less opportunity for conflict/fun.

But once I'm back to being active, I'll probably like the added autonomy. Hell, a lot of my low and null-sec losses on killboards (those helios losses, especially) are from scouting one system ahead for my hauling alt. Less hauling means losing less ships for me, and less killing ships for gate campers.

Two words will describe Odyssey's resource shake-up the most: LESS HAULING.

If you're a null-sec industrialist that's groovy. I've tried my hand at it at times, and these changes will cause me to try it again.

Everyone else (null and low sec PvP-centric players, high-sec freighter gankers, high-sec industrialists and people who make isk through anything but null-sec industrialism), however, just got crapped on.

I consider myself in the null PvP-centric group when I have real world leisure. But it is mildly interesting that they want to fix a career I have often given up on. And before you suggest that sentence is an admission that it needed fixing, I'll point you to all those supercaps that got built by industrialists that didn't give up on it. Every null-sec outpost, POS and every supercap is proof that industry can be done. Soon it will be done with less hauling. All hail the coming autonomous null-sec!

Someone please explain to me how less hauling is good for the game, long-term.

Oh dear lord, here we go again!

Playing eve for SO long... Hi sec players WIL NOT MOVE to low/0.0 sec... Jeez, u would imagine ccp would get that into their thick skulls after almost 10 years...

He probably means what I've said... you simply cannot flog high-sec players into null-sec.